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Old 06-24-2008   #1 (permalink)
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Global Warming

James Hansen testified before Congress this week and painted a pretty blue picture of the future if things don't change. He has alot of clout....
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Re: Global Warming

I think that we are in a very crucial period in our history and it is my hope that if anything good comes from high gas prices it is that we quit using fuels that pollute the atmosphere and come up with greener technology. I don't want to leave this planet uninhabitable. I have kids to think about.

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Re: Global Warming

I don't have a problem with greener alternatives, however, I really don't buy this "sky is falling" attitude.

The climate is not a simple equation to work out and we've been studying it for about the same amount of time we've been producing CO2.

Read up on the Maunder minimum

Our sun puts out a lot more than just light. If we're the cause for the temperature to rise, why is the temp going up on Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, etc... ?
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Somehow I don't think fossil fuels are doing this.

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Re: Global Warming

A little off topic, but all of the green-yuppieism lately (read "GreenTV") makes me want to go out and kill a dolphin.

And I'm a conservationist.

Does anyone else sense a strong resemblance between this current round of rabid environmentalism and McCarthyism? It's almost a secular religion, I tell you.

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Re: Global Warming

For every Hansen type that testifies before Congress, there can be another authority that will be able to say that the earth is just in another heating cycle. Look up the stats that some of the highest recorded temps on record is in the 1930's. This included the "Dust Bowl" days. Then we had a more normal cooling period with none of this "the sky is falling" . Back this past winter when we had record snowfall and record lows all the global warming types was very quiet. Now they are blaming the mid-west floods on "Climate Change". Notice how they are moving away from "Global Warming". Kind of hard for them to tie record lows with global warming.
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Re: Global Warming

Climate change is the new buzzword. Their old theory didn't pan out, so they blame snow and cold weather on global warming as well.

We're still ignorant, still in the "gather information" phase, but some love to scream at the top of their lungs because the Earth doesn't follow their rules.

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Re: Global Warming

World wide temperatures are going up. I would rather over react and be wrong than under react and be right. The whole green movement can get to be a money game - example trading carbon credits. As far as finding experts to dispute global warming you can probably find experts who think the world is 4000 years old, and evolution is a myth....
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Re: Global Warming

This is probably a bit overboard, however...

I still find it the height of arrogance that some scientists, which say the earth is 4+ billion years old, say that we've been on the planet for 10,000 years, also says we've managed to completely hose the environment in around 100 years.

We're not that blamed powerful, and our planet isn't that fragile. CO2 is not a pollutant, it is plant food. Historically, CO2 rises after the temperature does, not before.

Furthermore, why look at CO2, which is something like .3 percent of the greenhouse effect, why not look at water vapor, which is above 80%? Why not look at the direct output of heat, air conditioners, car engines, simply anything mechanical and most things biological? Why not look at the heat radiated from the asphalt and concrete absorbed from sunlight? Why completely disregard the Sun. Just about every article I read about solar flares, Maunder minimum, etc, has a comment from another scientist that says the Sun doesn't have that kind of power over our climate.

What?!?! A giant nuclear inferno that causes the temp to rise to 100*F during the day and drop to 70*F when we can't see it, a giant ball of flaming hydrogen that causes cancer, sunburn, powers solar devices by light alone, feeds plant life, this can't possible be the cause for our temperature increase? The same scientists have been commenting on how active the sun has been over the last ten years, but completely disregard any impact it may have on us.

This is not science. Science is nothing to do with consensus. The consensus a few hundred years ago was the Earth was flat. Anyone that said otherwise was a heretic and put to death. Science is about proven, reproducible fact. Seems they've changed the definition since I went to school.

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Interesting Debate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McsZ1...n-and-jupiter/

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Re: Global Warming

That debate was in one of my previous posts.

One comment on that link was that every time Lindzen was debunking global warming, they showed snow and floods, when Bill Nye and Heidi Cullen were talking, they showed their faces.

The media is twisting things, not like I had to tell anyone that.


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Re: Global Warming

The floods that are happening now have happened before. Not too many years ago. I remember back in the either late 70's or very early 80's Demopolis had a heat wave. It was 115 degrees plus. The big snows that have happened recently have happened before. I believe that these things happen in cycles. As far as the ice caps melting into the ocean and putting more fresh water into the sea I believe is happening now. Who really knows what the climate is going to do in the future. Did Nostradamus have anything to say about this?? He seems to be the only seer of the future.

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