Bush in Baghdad

[ladiva]

Bush made a surprise visit to Baghdad on Tuesday to let the Iraqis know that the troops will be staying to help them with their government.
Do you think that we should be staying to help their government?


Heres a link to the story:
http://beta.abc3340.com/news/stories/0606/335822.html

[mmcd3182]

... I heard about this on John Stewart last night...

he pointed out that it was curious that Bush paid a 5 hour visit to Baghdad.... "Yeah I'm here! I support you! now excuse me... while I get the &#@@ out of here!"

lol...

[debby]

I believe there are some soldiers that want to come home now. But for the most part as my husband felt in 91, "lets finish the job". They are doing a good job I have to say. And I am so proud of them. They love our country and want to serve. And lets face it the pay is not up to par. For the most part soldiers can apply for food stamps. Most want because of pride. I'm getting off topic here so I'll stop.

[armywife87]

I think we should still be there, but not as many and not doing as much as we are. They have there own army, but we're not making them do anything, we're training them susposably. But as all that I know that have been over there, we're just holding there hands and doing there work for them... its time for us to sit back and let them figure it out for themselves.

[mmcd3182]

I think we should still be there, but not as many and not doing as much as we are. They have there own army, but we're not making them do anything, we're training them susposably. But as all that I know that have been over there, we're just holding there hands and doing there work for them... its time for us to sit back and let them figure it out for themselves.


But our misssion is to make sure they have a working government and a solid military foundation capable of attack on insurgency, terrorist, foreign enemies.

What scares me... is we spend all this time training them -- restore them to a nation capable of defense / offense and then some coup five years down the road leads us to fighting men we've TRAINED.

Things are SOOOO unstable in that region of the world right now... I wouldn't be surprised if we had troops over there for another 20 years.

Hamas in Palestine, the threat to Isreal, Iran being stubborn about their "nu-cu-lar" efforts...

[debby]

But our misssion is to make sure they have a working government and a solid military foundation capable of attack on insurgency, terrorist, foreign enemies.

What scares me... is we spend all this time training them -- restore them to a nation capable of defense / offense and then some coup five years down the road leads us to fighting men we've TRAINED.

Things are SOOOO unstable in that region of the world right now... I wouldn't be surprised if we had troops over there for another 20 years.

Hamas in Palestine, the threat to Isreal, Iran being stubborn about their "nu-cu-lar" efforts...

Remember WW11 we still have military there. Remember Korea we still have military there. So yes it's possible. Yes things are unstable this is the place the terrorist live. Terrorist bombed a building in Germany just as we got there in 1984. Things will always be unstable. Thats what determines where our military goes. No amount of wining and grumbling is going to change things. Thats why we have military. To protect and serve our country and those that need us.

[mmcd3182]

Remember WW11 we still have military there. Remember Korea we still have military there. So yes it's possible. Yes things are unstable this is the place the terrorist live. Terrorist bombed a building in Germany just as we got there in 1984. Things will always be unstable. Thats what determines where our military goes. No amount of wining and grumbling is going to change things. Thats why we have military. To protect and serve our country and those that need us.

With the way we define "terrorists" now... you could probably find a terrorist or cell of them anywhere in the world...

That's the hard/curious thing about this military conflict -- we're fighting an idea and not a geographic location. Ideas are extremely tricky things to fight.

[dave]

But for the most part as my husband felt in 91, "lets finish the job".

I think Bush Sr may have been smarter than we think. If we had "finished the job" in 91, we'd probably still be over there helping to rebuild the government.

[Maestro]

Unfornutately we've put ourselves in this situation, and now that we are there we have no choice but to "finish the job". Leaving before they are completely ready is not a option. We have "made our own bed" .....

[palerider]

These "people" have no fear of death, and have been killing each other for thousands of years.....the only way Saddam Husein was able to control these "people" was by shear brutality. I don't understand how we are going to change anything over there. While I am on the subject, WHY aren't we at least getting some of the oil? It makes ZERO sense to me why we aren't getting SOME benefit from this debacle!

[Mystic_Rhythms]

I think the problem lies in the definition of "finished". What level of strength will their military have to acheive in order for us to pull out and head home? What type of gov't will have to be in place before we come home? I have always said that there will never be peace in the Middle East. Because if people read the Bible...(some don't, that's okay),...when peace over there happens...I mean real peace, that's when it's all about to be over with. And according to the Bible...it'll only be 3 1/2 years of that, then all hell will break loose. Being a Christian, I won't be here to see the "7 years of peace" over there because I will be called up..(Bible readers know what that is). The Middle East has been a volatile place for hundreds of years, and it will continue to be so until the end. But I TOTALLY 100% support our troops and will until the end. They are doing a great job and God Bless them all!!

[debby]

With the way we define "terrorists" now... you could probably find a terrorist or cell of them anywhere in the world...

That's the hard/curious thing about this military conflict -- we're fighting an idea and not a geographic location. Ideas are extremely tricky things to fight.

HELLO! Remember 9/11? We are not fighting an idea. And yea you can find terrorist cells most anywhere. We use to see posters of those wanted for terrorist activity while we were in Germany. Thats one reasong our soldiers are there.
And dave whats wrong with still being there? Like I said WW11 was over a lonnnnnggg time ago and we still have military in Germay, Italy and Japan.

[armywife87]

I have all the answers, but no one would appreciate them...

[mmcd3182]

HELLO! Remember 9/11? We are not fighting an idea. And yea you can find terrorist cells most anywhere. We use to see posters of those wanted for terrorist activity while we were in Germany. Thats one reasong our soldiers are there.
And dave whats wrong with still being there? Like I said WW11 was over a lonnnnnggg time ago and we still have military in Germay, Italy and Japan.

Hello!

Do you also remember that it was Osama Bin Ladin and not Sadam who took credit for 9/11 ??? Osama -- afghanistan. sadam -- doesn't matter anymore.

We went to iraq because the idea that they had WMD there... we had no proof, only the words of several people that we had to act on (according to many).

and according to bush... we're fighting for "peace in the middle east" ... a stable iraq, a stable afghanistan...

and soon -- more stability needed in other places?

And I said that we're fighting an idea because our fighting is not limited to iraq and afghanistan or any of the other places we're stationed in.

these people are anywhere and everywhere... that's why we can't win a "war on terror" ... you can't "hit em at home" ... they don't have homes.

[mmcd3182]

I know we're only 14 posts into the thread -- but it was originally about Bush's quick trip to Iraq the other day -- not about the causes for war & how long it's going to last... are we heading toward the deep end on this thread?

[armywife87]

But our misssion is to make sure they have a working government and a solid military foundation capable of attack on insurgency, terrorist, foreign enemies.

What scares me... is we spend all this time training them -- restore them to a nation capable of defense / offense and then some coup five years down the road leads us to fighting men we've TRAINED.

Things are SOOOO unstable in that region of the world right now... I wouldn't be surprised if we had troops over there for another 20 years.

Hamas in Palestine, the threat to Isreal, Iran being stubborn about their "nu-cu-lar" efforts...

I'm not saying pull out... there's no reson for us to... but we have to get them trianed or there really is no reason for us to be over there. As of right now the only reson we should be there is to back them up, or for support. Nothing more nothing less, they should be making there bed to lie in nut us making it for them.... but hey w/e..

[armywife87]

Do you think that we should be staying to help their government?
the answer to your question mmcd