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debby
08-14-2006, 17:22 PM
http://americandaily.com/article/14840

OR to Call for FL Abortion Mill Prosecution Under Federal Law
By Press Release: (http://americandaily.com/author/177) (07/31/2006)

WASHINGTON, July 31 /Christian Newswire/ -- Police in Hialeah, Florida, have closed an abortion clinic after discovery of a dead 22-week old baby that a tipster said was born alive and killed by clinic staff. Police are conducting a homicide investigation while an autopsy is being performed on the infant’s body.

Operation Rescue will call for all clinic personnel, including abortionist Frantz Bazile, owners Belkis Gonzalez and Siomara Senises, to be prosecuted under the Federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act if the autopsy indicates the baby was alive at birth.

Police have told reporters that an 18-year old girl who was 22 weeks pregnant went to A Gynecologists Diagnostic Center in the Miami suburb of Hialeah for an abortion and returned the following day in severe pain. She was informed that no doctor was present and was taken to a recovery area, where she delivered her premature baby. The baby was then taken from her and killed, according to the police informant, believed to be a clinic worker.

Police eventually discovered the baby’s body while executing a search warrant.

This is the second reported incident in recent months of an infant born alive at a Florida abortion mill. In April, 2005, a woman named Angele gave birth to Baby Rowan at Orlando Women’s Center operated by James Pendergraft. Angel’s cries for help for her baby were ignored and Rowan died.

This is not A Gynecologists Diagnostic Center’s first run-in with the law. A sister abortion clinic in Miramar, Florida, was closed last year after it was discovered that their abortionist had no medical license.

“We must demand that Florida authorities uphold the law,” said Operation Rescue President Troy Newman. “Women and babies are continuously endangered at what can only be described as dangerous human ‘chop shops.’ That is why we are calling for Federal prosecution under the Born Alive Infants Protection Act.”

“We, as a nation, need to come out of denial and face the true state of crisis that exists at the nation’s abortion mills,” said Newman. “The facts are that shoddy conditions and shoddier abortionists are the rule and not the exception. The only way to prevent horrific tragedies like this is to ban abortion in our country, and help women get connected to the resources and support that is amply available to them in our communities.”

Operation Rescue is one of the leading pro-life Christian organizations in the nation. Its activities are on the cutting edge of the abortion issue, taking direct action to restore legal personhood to the pre- born and stop abortion in obedience to biblical mandates.

http://www.operationrescue.org/



Abortion Business Closed for Good Where Baby Found Born Alive, Killed
(http://www.lifenews.com/printpage.php)

by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
August 10, 2006

http://www.lifenews.com/signabortion.jpgHialeah, FL (LifeNews.com) -- A Florida abortion business where a baby was apparently born alive following a botched abortion has closed for good. Local health officials in this Miami-area city revoked the license of the A GYN Diagnostic Center abortion facility at a city council meeting on Tuesday. Late last month, local police investigated the abortion center after reports surfaced that a dead baby's body was located there.
According to witnesses, an unnamed young woman who was 23 weeks into her pregnancy went to the A Gynecologists Diagnostic Center abortion facility for an abortion.
Police say the 18 year-old returned the next day complaining of sever stomach pains. Abortion facility staff told her the abortion practitioner was not available and that she would have to wait.
After being taken to a waiting area, the woman allegedly gave birth to the baby that she thought had been aborted the day before.
The city was preparing to take action on the license suspension but before it could do so the owners of the abortion facility surrendered its license to operate to the state's Agency for Health Care Administration, according to the Miami Herald.
Giving up the license means the abortion facility cannot practice medicine in the state John Travers, the city's licensing administrator, told the Herald.
Officials say an anonymous caller, who they believe is an employee at the abortion business, alerted them to the birth and the infanticide of the child afterwards. However, when police arrived at the abortion facility, the baby's body was missing.
They came back a second time and found the dead baby in a biohazard bag. Detectives say abortion facility staff likely moved the baby's body the first time to avoid detection.
The baby was reportedly 12 inches long and weighed 2-3 pounds. Medical examiners performed an autopsy on the baby, but it may take weeks for the results to be released.
Hialeah police and the state attorneys office are continuing to investigate the potential murder of the newborn baby.
"The State Attorney's Office is still reviewing the case, along with the Medical Examiner,'' Mark Overton, Hialeah's Deputy Police Chief told the Herald. "We are awaiting test results. Once they are back, they will be making a decision on what charges will be filed, if any.''
Regina DeMoraes-Millan, a lawyer for the abortion business, told the Miami Herald at the time that no crime was committed and that the teen had a successful abortion and no complications.
''My clients run an abortion clinic. It's a legal business,'' she said.
Belkis Gonzalez of Miramar, Florida, owns the abortion facility and another in Miramar, which has run afoul of state regulations on numerous occasions. It was closed last year after three employees were found to be unlicensed.

http://www.lifenews.com/state1787.html

brown_eyed_girl
08-14-2006, 17:40 PM
What a terrible thing. This is why I WILL NEVER agree with abortions. Someone will ALWAYS abuse it.

My thoughts on abortions: It should ONLY be allowed if it's a life or death situation for the mother or unborn child. NOT if someone is raped or accidently gets pregnant. It's called ADOPTION!

Boisterous
08-14-2006, 17:50 PM
amen brown eyed girl i totally agree its just not fair for the child they never get a choiceon whats done ith their life

Red Neck Biker
08-14-2006, 18:13 PM
Well I should leave this alone but I CANT. This just goes to show you that life is not the same as it once was or should I say valued as high. Well we live in some prety troubled times and I dont think its going to get no better.I think the first thing they should do is make a big statement from the court house to the street by giving them the stiffest penalty aloud by law. We should stand up together in these matters. "Just my opinion"

dillybar
08-14-2006, 20:59 PM
Murder, plain and simple.

dave
08-14-2006, 21:42 PM
Without condoning anything here, just some perspective.
The child, at 22 weeks gestation, would be around 11 inches and way less than a pound. The lungs would most likely not be developed enough to sustain life. Many hospitals, including the main ones here in Alabama, don't even attempt resusitation if the child is less than 24 weeks. At this stage of development, the course is simply to wait for the heart to stop if a heartbeat is present after birth. Granted, a fetus is considered "viable" at 20 weeks, but you would have to have a C-Section at a neo-natal unit for ANY hope of survival (which is next to none at this stage of life).

Now, according to this article (which is biased at best towards pro-life) the woman came in complaining of pain a day after wanting an abortion. She gave birth in an area without a MD present. The "informant" says they took the baby and "killed" it, but didn't give details as to how they allegedly did this. Again, not condoning the situation--it's professional misconduct at minimum--but if the employees there did everything in their power to save the child, the outcome would have been the same.

thegurlnextdoor
08-15-2006, 08:27 AM
that makes me sick to my stomach!!!!!

thegurlnextdoor
08-15-2006, 08:29 AM
Without condoning anything here, just some perspective.
The child, at 22 weeks gestation, would be around 11 inches and way less than a pound. The lungs would most likely not be developed enough to sustain life. Many hospitals, including the main ones here in Alabama, don't even attempt resusitation if the child is less than 24 weeks. At this stage of development, the course is simply to wait for the heart to stop if a heartbeat is present after birth. Granted, a fetus is considered "viable" at 20 weeks, but you would have to have a C-Section at a neo-natal unit for ANY hope of survival (which is next to none at this stage of life).

Now, according to this article (which is biased at best towards pro-life) the woman came in complaining of pain a day after wanting an abortion. She gave birth in an area without a MD present. The "informant" says they took the baby and "killed" it, but didn't give details as to how they allegedly did this. Again, not condoning the situation--it's professional misconduct at minimum--but if the employees there did everything in their power to save the child, the outcome would have been the same.did you know there is brain activity in a fetus at 3 weeks old?.........at that point its human and should be treated as such and should go thru all means and all life saving possibility that is avaliable NO MATTER WHAT!@!!!!!!

thegurlnextdoor
08-15-2006, 08:30 AM
sorry dave but that kinda stuff just P@#$%&*( ME off!!

mrs j
08-15-2006, 09:19 AM
I Have To Agree Stuff Like This Just Makes My Blood Boil. I Have Had Three Miscarriages And I Can't Belive People Do This Stuff. I Wonder About People Like This. What Are They Thinking?
Just Pray For Them

shortstuff
08-15-2006, 11:50 AM
i'm curious to know how they "killed it". i don't think enough information has been given for me to form an adequate decision. from a medical standpoint i agree with dave. if a woman delivers a baby at 22 weeks in a hospital i don't believe the staff would be successful in keeping the baby alive, if they would even try. they are just too underdeveloped to survive outside of the womb at that point. it definitely sounds like the clinic did something wrong for the body of the baby to still be there. but i would still like to know a few more facts. like dave said, i am NOT condoning what they have been accused of, just trying to understand the facts of the case.

shortstuff
08-15-2006, 11:54 AM
did you know there is brain activity in a fetus at 3 weeks old?.........at that point its human and should be treated as such and should go thru all means and all life saving possibility that is avaliable NO MATTER WHAT!@!!!!!!

so are you saying that CPR should be performed on the fetus if a woman miscarries at 12 weeks? i do not agree with abortion, but i also know that a baby can not survive outside of the womb at less than 20 weeks gestation. so i guess my question is what do you mean by "all life saving possibility that is available"?

demopolite
08-15-2006, 15:14 PM
i'm curious to know how they "killed it". i don't think enough information has been given for me to form an adequate decision.

I'm with you, shortstuff. Honestly, they should have sent this woman to the hospital when she came in complaining of pains, and they should have alerted the hospital as to the child's birth. Because they did not do the above things, they should probably be closed down and sanctioned. However, unless someone comes forward with some proof that a person in the clinic actually stopped the life of the child through some physical or chemical means, it's probably not murder.

What likely happened is that the underdeveloped child died, and then the clinic workers freaked out. As I said above, that is enough to make sure that they have their licenses taken away, but these are not the actions that the law seeks to punish with laws against murder.

....and...fire away!

shells
08-15-2006, 15:35 PM
What likely happened is that the underdeveloped child died, and then the clinic workers freaked out. As I said above, that is enough to make sure that they have their licenses taken away, but these are not the actions that the law seeks to punish with laws against murder.

....and...fire away!

no...demopolite, I agree--sort of. I think that the baby was ready to deliver...very premature...and the poor thing died on its own. But, unless it happened extremely quickly, there's no excuse for not getting the girl out of there and to a hospital. So, isn't that negligence? The clinic workers are, no doubt, inexperienced in delivering "live babies,"...even if it did live for awhile...so I think this is just a very unfortunate situation for everyone.

dave
08-15-2006, 15:39 PM
did you know there is brain activity in a fetus at 3 weeks old?.........at that point its human and should be treated as such and should go thru all means and all life saving possibility that is avaliable NO MATTER WHAT!@!!!!!!
By "all life saving possibility", what are you referring to? This is the embryo at 6 weeks gestation (the term "fetus" doesn't even apply until week 10):
http://www.pregnancy.org/images/pregnancy/pregnancycalendar/06week125.gif
At this stage, if the child is aborted (naturally) it just wasn't to be.

demopolite
08-15-2006, 15:40 PM
no...demopolite, I agree--sort of. I think that the baby was ready to deliver...very premature...and the poor thing died on its own. But, unless it happened extremely quickly, there's no excuse for not getting the girl out of there and to a hospital. So, isn't that negligence?

Yes...I think that you could make a very good argument for negligence here. But murder has to be intentional...at least in Alabama. A prosecutor could go for criminally negligent homicide, but would probably have a hard time showing that anyone at the clinic's actions were the actual cause of the child's death.

It's just a very, very screwed up situation, and I would expect Florida (rightfully so) to be a little less lax in the future about who they are licensing and allowing to provide abortions. One of the whole points of having first-trimester abortions legal in the U.S. is to make sure that negligent/reckless acts like this don't happen.

thegurlnextdoor
08-16-2006, 08:34 AM
so are you saying that CPR should be performed on the fetus if a woman miscarries at 12 weeks? i do not agree with abortion, but i also know that a baby can not survive outside of the womb at less than 20 weeks gestation. so i guess my question is what do you mean by "all life saving possibility that is available"?
if ya trying to get nitty........there is a difference in an involuntary abortion and a premature birth....im not stupid!!! 22 weeks a baby CAN survive....ive lived it and seen it first hand........my cousins baby is deaf cause her ear durms did not develope but shes in tack every where else .a little on the skinny side but hey SHES ALIVE............so this topic was about a baby being born alive!~ then killed it wasnt about a 6 week old being involuntary aborted or a 20 week old baby being born dead.it was about a baby being born then killed...........and yes i do beLive if a baby is born ALIVE AND has ANY chance of survival then yes ..i think any means should be taken..... and by the way a miscarrage is an involuntary abortion .the baby would never be born alive at 12 weeks........ why would you try to insult my intelligence saying something like that anyways?.....

shortstuff
08-19-2006, 21:38 PM
if ya trying to get nitty........there is a difference in an involuntary abortion and a premature birth....im not stupid!!! 22 weeks a baby CAN survive....ive lived it and seen it first hand........my cousins baby is deaf cause her ear durms did not develope but shes in tack every where else .a little on the skinny side but hey SHES ALIVE............so this topic was about a baby being born alive!~ then killed it wasnt about a 6 week old being involuntary aborted or a 20 week old baby being born dead.it was about a baby being born then killed...........and yes i do beLive if a baby is born ALIVE AND has ANY chance of survival then yes ..i think any means should be taken..... and by the way a miscarrage is an involuntary abortion .the baby would never be born alive at 12 weeks........ why would you try to insult my intelligence saying something like that anyways?.....

you're the one who was talking about a 3 week old fetus having a brain and then jumped to saying a baby should be saved by all means available means. i was simply trying to understand what you were trying to say. why jump all over someone for trying to understand what you were trying to say. no one called you stupid!!! i wasn't the only one who questioned your response. geez, take a pill.